Furor in Greece over pedophilia as a disability

January 9, 2012 By NICHOLAS PAPHITIS , Associated Press

(AP) -- Greek disability groups expressed anger Monday at a government decision to expand a list of state-recognized disability categories to include pedophiles, exhibitionists and kleptomaniacs.

The National Confederation of Disabled People called the action "incomprehensible," and said pedophiles are now awarded a higher government disability pay than some people who have received .

The Labor Ministry said categories added to the expanded list - that also includes pyromaniacs, , fetishists and sadomasochists - were included for purposes of medical assessment and used as a gauge for allocating financial assistance.

But NCDP leader Yiannis Vardakastanis, who is blind, warned the new list could create new difficulties for disabled Greeks who are already facing benefit cuts due to the country's financial crisis.

"What's happened is incomprehensible. I think there is some big mistake. The ministry should have a different policy on disability," Vardakastanis told the Associated Press. "The list contains major changes to disability quotients, which could effectively remove many people from access to benefits."

The new list gives pyromaniacs and pedophiles disability pay up to 35 percent, compared to 80 percent for .

"It's really not serious to grant Peeping Toms a 20-30 percent disability rate, and 10 percent to diabetics, who have insulin shots four or five times a day," said Vardakastanis.

Greece has been fighting to avoid bankruptcy since 2009. Public spending on health and welfare programs has been sharply cut under austerity measures imposed as a condition for receiving emergency loans from the and other countries using the euro currency.

Independently run welfare programs that survived on state grants have been the hardest hit, leaving some disabled groups, including the deaf, facing sudden drops in their standard of care.

The government is also battling widespread abuse in the welfare system, forcing tens of thousands of disabled people to be reassessed.

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mvg
2.4 / 5 (11) Jan 09, 2012
"The new list gives ... pedophiles disability pay up to 35 percent, compared to 80 percent for heart transplant recipients."

Likely many members of the clergy will be applying for this benefit.

kevinrtrs
2.1 / 5 (22) Jan 10, 2012
Greek disability groups expressed anger Monday at a government decision to expand a list of state-recognized disability categories to include pedophiles, exhibitionists and kleptomaniacs.
The Labor Ministry said categories added to the expanded list - that also includes pyromaniacs, compulsive gamblers, fetishists and sadomasochists - were included for purposes of medical assessment and used as a gauge for allocating financial assistance.

This makes complete sense in the evolutionary world where there is no absolute truth or sin. It therefore is completely acceptable to reward criminal activity since there is no one who could argue that it's wrong. "Wrong, according to whom?" is the first question. Since there is no reference to God the creator and responsibility to his commands, this is the result [which by the way, includes those clergy referred to above] and the inevitable path a godless society will follow.

Atrocities have certainly been performed in the name of God...
kevinrtrs
1.9 / 5 (18) Jan 10, 2012
...but will be nothing compared to what is coming in the name of disabilities that include everything sinful as declared in God's word. [ We have already had and are still having atrocities in the (atheist) communist countries where many die simply because they point out the wrongs in the government ]

The point is : the lawless one is being revealed....
Ethelred
3.8 / 5 (13) Jan 10, 2012
This makes complete sense in the evolutionary world where there is no absolute truth or sin.
Lying again I see. Since you clearly don't see anything wrong about lying does that mean you are a member of of pro lying cult. For instance the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society approves of lying to non-members.

In the world of science, which includes evolution, there IS truth. That which is real is true. For instance it is true the world is not a mere 6-10 millennia old.

As for sin that is a religious definition and I think by most religions you are a sinner for lying about truth. In the non-religious world that is still right and wrong.

It therefore is completely acceptable to reward criminal activity since there is no one who could argue that it's wrong.
Lie. I can argue against doing such a stupid thing.

Wrong, according to whom?" is the first question.
Everyone. We all get to decide on that in a democratic society.>>
Ethelred
3.8 / 5 (13) Jan 10, 2012
Since there is no reference to God the creator and responsibility to his commands
Since there is no evidence for your god and there isn't even a ten commandments in the Bible I see no reason to follow the commandments of anonymous authors UNLESS We The People happen to agree with them. We don't agree on Keeping Holy the Lords Day for the simple reason that there is no Lord, just a unsupported claim of there being one.

name of disabilities that include everything sinful as declared in God's word.
Do you have proof that the Bible is the word of a god?

[ We have already had and are still having atrocities in the (atheist) communist countries
Communist does not equal Atheist. Lying like that is immoral.

where many die simply because they point out the wrongs in the government ]
And people have been murdered for saying there is no god. Indeed for one billion people it is a killing offense to quit their religion.>>
Ethelred
3.8 / 5 (13) Jan 10, 2012
The point is : the lawless one is being revealed....
You? I am moral. You are the liar.

Even in your religion the only one that is lawless is Jehovah. It is up to Jehovah to stop this alleged supernatural lawless being and according you he has not done so. Then there is ludicrous claim of a Great Flood. That would be a crime against humanity except that it didn't happen. The Great Flood would be the act of a lawless being. Isn't nice to know that it didn't happen.

I have one more question, are you going to discuss this or run as you usually do?

Ethelred
TheSpiceIsLife
2.3 / 5 (9) Jan 10, 2012
The monotheistic religions have fucked more kiddies and killed more women than science ever will.

ShotmanMaslo
2.5 / 5 (11) Jan 10, 2012
It therefore is completely acceptable to reward criminal activity since there is no one who could argue that it's wrong.


They are not rewarding criminal activity, as pedophilia refers to a mental illness, not a crime of child molestation.
ironjustice
3.1 / 5 (7) Jan 10, 2012
"The new list gives ... pedophiles disability pay up to 35 percent, compared to 80 percent for heart transplant recipients."

Likely many members of the clergy will be applying for this benefit.



One might consider the FACT these fellas were pedophiles BEFORE they became religious representatives. The interesting thing here is pedophilia used to be considered in the same 'category' in the DSM , a paraphilia , and NOW that homosexuality was made legal pedophilia is using homosexuality as a 'marker' for "sanity" as opposed to insanity. NOW that pedophiliacs are claiming disability one can expect the homosexuals will ALSO be claiming disability.
"Pedophilia No Longer a Disorder, Psychiatric Association
Decides"
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (17) Jan 10, 2012
Why shouldn't the state support kleptomaniacs? That is what what the state does, plunder.
ryggesogn2
1.9 / 5 (18) Jan 10, 2012
The monotheistic religions have fucked more kiddies and killed more women than science ever will.



Governments have them all beat. Especially communist governments.
"Governments have murdered hundreds of millions of their citizens and those under their control. "
http://www.hawaii...RDER.HTM

Why attack religion when govts are worse?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (14) Jan 10, 2012
"Wrong, according to whom?" is the first question. Since there is no reference to God the creator and responsibility to his commands
Funny that the 10 commandments dont include anything about rape or child abuse. These things had to be covered by secular laws because god appears to be unconcerned about such matters.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (11) Jan 10, 2012
Funny how god condones, encourages, and DEMANDS these very things against people whose only crime seems to be not believing in HIM?

"Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Num31:18
http://www.evilbi...Rape.htm
FrankHerbert
3.3 / 5 (12) Jan 10, 2012
Spare the "rod" and spoil the child, right Otto?

Hehehe.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (10) Jan 10, 2012
Funny how jesus says believing in him is important enough to ruin families and orphan children?

Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';

36 "and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.'

-And certainly important enough for martyrs to present themselves for killing by the millions?

"For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it." luk9:24

-I would much rather have people deciding what is right and wrong, than some god who thinks the most important law of all is to love him and despise all who dont.

"The true believers fight for the cause of Allah, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan. (4:76)
"Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers. (2:98)
freethinking
1.9 / 5 (14) Jan 10, 2012
Otto: 10 Commandments specifically 7, 8 and 10 would go against pedophilia. Also Jesus specifically stated that: It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

I'm also sure you rail against the institution of Public Education and the number of pedophile teachers they have and who have been protected by the system. How about college sports teams? Now a wise progressive government will be paying pedophiles. Love Progressives they say one thing, ie. we hate pedophile, then turn around and support pedophiles with government money.

So Otto and FH, still love Progressive Governments?
Ethelred
3.5 / 5 (8) Jan 10, 2012
Otto: 10 Commandments specifically 7, 8 and 10 would go against pedophilia.
Would you care to point out just where in the Bible the Ten Commandments are? Chapter and verse please.

Even if they actually were in the Bible as Freelyinsane thinks they would still be the writings of men. In this case men wrote something that other men later reinterpreted as the ten commandments. They don't exist in the Bible.

Also Jesus specifically stated that: It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Unfortunately other parts of the Bible has Jehovah murdering ALL of the non-Jewish children in Egypt. So I would have to call that offending little ones rather severely.

I'm also sure you rail against the institution of Public Education and the number of pedophile teachers they have and who have been protected by the system
Sure. Only there really aren't as many there.>>
Ethelred
3.5 / 5 (8) Jan 10, 2012
How about college sports teams?
How about high school cheer leading teachers? Spreading the blame won't change the fact that the Church did some rather nasty cover ups.

HNow a wise progressive government will be paying pedophiles
Lie. An idiotic pseudo-communist government with a particular set idiots that are likely to get overturned.

Love Progressives they say one thing, ie. we hate pedophile,
Lie. You really should quit lying so much. I know it doesn't offend Jehovah but it does offend me and other honest people.

The idiots weren't progressives. They were idiots.

then turn around and support pedophiles with government money.
Perhaps after they get of jail. Right now Oliver is being supported by his pension. That is government money in his case.

So Otto and FH, still love Progressive Governments?
Greece does not have a progressive government so perhaps you should stop lying so much.

Ethelred
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (8) Jan 10, 2012
Also Jesus specifically stated that: It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
No he didnt. You misconstrue the bible once again:

"1 Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause PEOPLE to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. 3 So watch yourselves."Luk17

-By 'little ones' he was referring to the people, not children.

Funny how youre so eager to take what the little godmman says either literally or allegorically depending on what you think its supposed to mean...? You misquote, mistranslate, ignore context, etc.

I understand it is ok for believers to do this because since they believe, they can be trusted to KNOW what the book says. They dont even have to read it.
Ethelred
4.2 / 5 (5) Jan 11, 2012
I see that only thing Failedthinker was able to do was give me one.

Even someone as inept as you can do better than that. The least you could do is to acknowledge that there the Ten Commandments is not actually in the Bible. Again if you think its there SHOW WHERE. You got the one for not supporting your objection to what I said. It was not mere retaliation. And there were those lies you are so fond of using in regards to progressives but I gave the chance to support yourself before I gave you a one.

Marjon gets them for each time I see him tell the same exact lies. He knows exactly why. If he thinks taxes equal theft he should move out of the country. As it is he is just lying because he continues to live under here and he wouldn't if he was telling the truth. He would have left long ago.

Yes he would moved to somewhere that didn't have taxes and has no government. Somalia.

Ethelred
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (5) Jan 11, 2012
Who actually cares what the commandments say? We live in the real world - not lala-land.
the Bible (and all other religious texts) are blisfully ignorant of such things as mental disabilities.

(Alternatively one might argue that they have elevated "talking to voices one believes to be divine" from a serious mental defect into the most exultant form of being. So religious texts may be said to be about nothing BUT mental disability.)
Noumenon
1.3 / 5 (14) Jan 11, 2012
I see that the same group of idiot liberals that bankrupt that nation are still in charge.
ryggesogn2
1.4 / 5 (11) Jan 11, 2012
Who actually cares what the commandments say? We live in the real world - not lala-land.

So why have any standards at all?
Steal, lie, etc. why should society care?
Doesn't everyone like having their stuff stolen or have a cheating spouse or murdering someone?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 11, 2012
So why have any standards at all?
You suffer under the same delusions as any religionist - that morality originates in some supernatural being. That being doesnt exist so your religionist rules and regulations, including not rounding the corners of your head, not eating pork, and squatting to shit must have come from humans.

And so we can look at religionist laws with this in mind and begin to see how they are expressly tailored to DIVIDE people and create conflict.
Steal, lie, etc. why should society care?
Doesn't everyone like having their stuff stolen or have a cheating spouse or murdering someone
You think people are incapable of deciding these things are wrong? Isnt your credo 'banding together for the common defense of life liberty and personal property'? People have always been fully capable of deciding these things for themselves. We need no socialist godman to tell us differently.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 11, 2012
The tribes which were most successful at determining these things experienced the greatest internal cohesion and so could be expected to prevail against those without. Tribal law was thus SELECTED for. Religion was only a convenient but phoney way of extending this system of order over ever larger groups of people.

The bible records this system in elegant detail.
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (11) Jan 11, 2012
You think people are incapable of deciding these things are wrong?

Obviously since they keep doing them.

So it is better for the govt to decide what the standards will be?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (6) Jan 11, 2012
Obviously since they keep doing them.
Who? Religionists? People have told you time and again that there are disproportionately more of them in prison. Maybe theyre more prone to getting caught? Less clever?

People may tend to offend against others whom they perceive as outside their 'tribe'. Religions only reinforce this separation.
So it is better for the govt to decide what the standards will be?
PEOPLE. Your books are FULL of errors and omissions. God forgot to include a lot of things, like rape and child abuse for instance. And he used language which tends to be hopelessly ambiguous.

People can do, and have done, a lot better. People create laws which are fairer, more equitable, and more comprehensive. The punishment for infractions is consistantly more humane, at least in secular countries.
http://en.wikiped...i/Sharia

-For instance secular laws do not include the requirement of accepting some god or other as its first priority.
kochevnik
3.7 / 5 (6) Jan 11, 2012
So why have any standards at all? Steal, lie, etc. why should society care? Doesn't everyone like having their stuff stolen or have a cheating spouse or murdering someone?
Yeah, that's objectivism in a nutshell! But only when done for money and greed. Doing it as a Robin-hood is evil, right?
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (5) Jan 11, 2012
So why have any standards at all?

Because standards make sense, given a certain set of circumstances.

From very basic principles (i.e. the drive to survive and the drive to form a society which helps an individual survive) such standards as "don't kill", "don't steal", etc. can be derived.

This is a mattere of UNDERSTANDING. There is no belief in a higher order (or mental capacity beyond that of a 6 year old) required to arrive at these conclusions.

Doesn't everyone like having their stuff stolen or have a cheating spouse or murdering someone?

Of course not. The scary people are those that say that commandments are the only thing which keeps them from doing such things. Those people have not the brain to live in a society - much less see its needs or benefit it in any way.
ryggesogn2
1 / 5 (8) Jan 11, 2012
Because standards make sense, given a certain set of circumstances.

But if a religion advocates standards, then these standards must be disregarded regardless of how much sense they make.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.8 / 5 (5) Jan 11, 2012
Because standards make sense, given a certain set of circumstances.

But if a religion advocates standards, then these standards must be disregarded regardless of how much sense they make.
They must be regarded with the understanding that they are BIASED and invariably require allegiance to some GOD.

Religious standards invariably include things like requiring prayer 5 times a day and cutting off the hands of thieves. And death for apostates and whippings for obstinate women etc. Yes?

And religionists who ascribe to them will tell you these are every bit as important as the ones prohibiting murder, adultery, and disrespecting your parents.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (4) Jan 11, 2012
But if a religion advocates standards, then these standards must be disregarded regardless of how much sense they make.

Let's just say that if they make sense then they make sense even without the religious context ("e.g "don't kill" makes sense whether you postulate a god or not...so the god concept is completely superfluous here as a justification for it. No one with three brain cells or more would need it to understand that it's sensible.)

Religious ethics that are solely based on the religious concept (e.g. "bow to your [insert pantheon of choice here]") are something else. They make no sense in any context - religious or otherwise.

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